swift4prez wrote: i made the link open for everyone to see now. cant get my head around somethings with computers

Still protected, giving read only access so can't paste in the formulas..

i made the link open for everyone to see now. cant get my head around somethings with computers

swift4prez wrote: thanks sea_point. i tried myself the spreadsheet this week, not as good as your but i did my best



docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlG...0I5SlpyS0VvU3c#gid=0

You need to give access to my gmail account to view your spreadsheet, I'll copy across the formatting if you want.

This forum only allows you to upload certain file formats (not .docs or .xls unfortunately) , says you can upload .pdf's but I've only been able to upload screenshots saved as .jpegs..

thanks sea_point. i tried myself the spreadsheet this week, not as good as your but i did my best



docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlG...0I5SlpyS0VvU3c#gid=0

most card happy refs
.... name ...... reffed.. yellow..red..average
1 j LACEY ..............2........6.....1... 3yellow .5red
2 i DAVIES ............2........5.....0.... 2.5yellow
2 d PHILPS ..........2........2.....1.... 2.5
2 p FITZGIBBON ..2........5.....0.... 2.5 yellow
5 d WILKINSON ...1........2.....0.... 2yellow
5 l COLGAN ........1........2.....0.... 2 yellow
7 n HENNESSY ....2........3.....0.... 1.5 yellow
8 l HODGES .......3........4.....0.... 1.33 yellow next match (LEINSTER VS MUNSTER)
9 m MITREA .......4........4.....0.... 1 yellow
9 a MCMEMEY ...3........3.....0.... 1 yellow
9 g VIVARINI ......1........1.....0.... 1 yellow next match (CARDIFF VS GLASGOW)
12 a ROLLAND ....2........1.....0.... .5 yellow
13 n PATERSON ..3........0.....0.... NO CARDS next match(ZEBRE VS OSPREYS)
13 g CLANCY .....1........0.....0.... NO CARDS next match(ULSTER VS CONNACHT)

No that's part of Paterson's problem. He always gives final warning then another final warning and then another so teams can get away with murder and only get a talking to or maybe a penalty against. It usually ruins the game cause both sides are constantly infringing or fouling. [Rant over]

ill do a yellow/red card table for refs. if ummm, want to take this and do it yourself on the other ref stat, feel free to do so and ill stop.

john lacey 1game(irfu) 3yellow 1red, (tvo 2y-ops 1r 1y)
Ian Davies 1game(WRU) 4yellow (zbe 2y vs con 2y) next game Treviso v Leinster
marius mitrea 2games(fir) 2yellow,(lnr 0 vs dgs 1) (uls 0-glas 1y)
Andrew McMenemy 2games (SRU) 2yellow (mun 1y vs tvo 1y)
David Wilkinson 1game (IRFU) 2yellow (cdff 1y vs edin 1y)
Dudley Phillips 1game (IRFU) 1yellow (glas 0 vs srls 1y)

even though we think that neil Paterson is no good, he has reffed two games this season without taking a card out

ill do a yellow/red card table for refs. if ummm, want to take this and do it yourself on the other ref stat, feel free to do so and ill stop.

john lacey 1game(irfu) 3yellow 1red, (tvo 2y-ops 1r 1y)
Ian Davies 1game(WRU) 4yellow (zbe 2y vs con 2y)
marius mitrea 2games(fir) 2yellow,(lnr 0 vs dgs 1) (uls 0-glas 1y)
Andrew McMenemy 2games (SRU) 2yellow (mun 1y vs tvo 1y)
David Wilkinson 1game (IRFU) 2yellow (cdff 1y vs edin 1y)
Dudley Phillips 1game (IRFU) 1yellow (glas 0 vs srls 1y)

RogueXV wrote: Shocking turn of events. I never saw the incident, but going by the reports on this thread the only question to be answered was how long the suspension would be. Hope Mike can take advantage of this "get out of jail free" card down in NZ next month.

Never saw the incident, but shocked by the outcome! :lol:

I'm not shocked at all. I'm happy common sense has prevailed. As was pointed out on another thread, the guy who Macca was having handbags with at the time came out and said that as far as he was concerned, no contact was made with his "eye area". Fingers crosses Mike gets the call up now, and makes the most of it.

Shocking turn of events. I never saw the incident, but going by the reports on this thread the only question to be answered was how long the suspension would be. Hope Mike can take advantage of this "get out of jail free" card down in NZ next month.

RonanL wrote:

sea_point wrote:

RonanL wrote:

swift4prez wrote: everyone knows if you leave your hand on a face for long enough while two men are moving around fingers can slip into eyes.

This is what annoys me about the current situation. Leaving your hands on someones face, and accidentally brushing against their eyes is completely different to intentionally gouging. I personally think anyone caught gouging should have the book thrown at them, <strong>but a minimum ban of 12 weeks for "contact with the eye area" is ridiculous in my opinion.</strong>

Do you mean to lenient or too harsh?

I've never been gouged personally but I've been punched to the head a few times in games and fishhooked (once) over the years on the rugby pitch.

Never had anyone go for my eyes thank f*ck, but the punishments for doing so deliberately or accidently should be absolutely prohibitive which they clearly aren't at the moment because we still see guys who's livelihood depends on them being able to play still getting caught.

In some cases I think it's way too harsh. Don't get me wrong - if a guy intentionally gouges, then he should get a crazy long ban. But if two lads are pushing and shoving, and some fingers happen to glance across the face by accident, that's not worthy of a ban in my opinion. I haven't seen the replay of this case, but I remember it pretty well, and the guy from the Glasgow team was perfectly happy to shake hands with Macca on the pitch. To my mind, what the Clermont player was doing to Leo Cullen towards the end of their recent semi final was WAY worse. No citing in that case to the best of my knowledge. I suppose to summarise, I think some common sense needs to be applied.

It seems Macca was cleared - all's well that ends well

Tuifua probably did enough to make people believe that this was a chest high tackle that went wrong because Robinson slipped some just before impact. IMO this was always to be a shoulder charge with an attempt at some window dressing arm wrapping to camouflage the fact. He may not have intended to hit him in the head, but Tuifua recklessly launched himself at Robinson and you can see the results.

not even cited. ok it wasnt for the eyes but its the different between pro12 and AP

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The 12 week minimum was already there, but disciplinary panels weren't enforcing it.

That makes it even worse!

The 12 week minimum was already there, but disciplinary panels weren't enforcing it.

I suppose to summarise, I think some common sense needs to be applied.

Common sense and Rugby usually are estranged bedfellows.

To get off topic for a moment. Does it ever bother people that something heinous usually has to happen to a player on the British and Irish Lions for laws to change regrading penalties? The IRB only brought in the law about spear-tacking after the BOD incident in NZ (in which the persecutors got off.) And the IRB brought in the minimum of a 12 week ban after the Fitzgerald eye-gouging incident in South Africa when Burger got 8 weeks for nearly ripping Fitzgerald's eye out. It annoys me that something horrible has to happen to a Lion before the IRB get there heads out of their asses and do something.